Doctor Who (everybody else is doing it)
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chrisvenusSo, season finale and all that stuff... I just have a few points I am confused by...
So, my first big question and really the one that I posted this for is this: Dalek Khan said that he manipulated time to bring them all there because he'd seen the dalek empire and what it had done and thought that it should be destroyed or whatever...
So if in travelling into the time war he saw all this then why on earth did he bring davros out and allow him to create a new dalek empire? Why not just leave him there?
Second question if all these people were going "Oh poor donna, your fate sucks" throughout the series then err... well, how does that work? I can kind of understand that archaeologist woman because she was from their future so actually knew but there were people from the shadow proclamation (or whatever) who seemed to somehow know and I just don't really get what the logic behind all of that was. I can see as a narrative foreshadowing (I mean, a clumsy foreshadowing but nevermind) but I don't see how it made sense in terms of the doctor who universe...
And just in terms of story was the second doctor actually necessary? Was he just there to get Rose to piss off again? I mean, given that donna I am fairly sure was taught to fly the tardis he wasn't necessary to save the tardis. The device he made to invert the bomb thing back on the daleks got destroeyd so was kind of pointless. I am not sure if there was any reason why they couldn't have just had Donna do the thing with the hand to get the regeneration energy and then had her pilot the tardis to where the doctor was just to see if she could help? Would that have been that much worse?
And I am not sure Rose and the parallel universe was necessary but there was a certain amount of coolness to having a companion-rich episode. Having ecclestone turn up would have been awesome. Maybe we can get "the two doctors" (yeah, I know that story name has gone) with the next series... ;-)
And the random ending for donna was just awful. Writing her out of the series - I mean, fine. If that's the way the contracts went, etc. But why not do it in a better way? She could easily have kept all of those memories and gone off and done stuff without the doctor. At that point she didn't *need* the doctor any more. She could go off and do her own thing. Would that have been so bad? And it would have left scope for her appearing again in the future much like Rose and martha have. For donna to reappear in the future is basically undoing the big climax at the end of this episode... Oh, except they did that for Rose didn't they so never mind...
Oh, and as a random extra thought, did Rose ever look for a doctor in her parallel universe do you think? I mean, I see no reason why there couldn't be one...
And lastly having just got it playing in the background I've just noticced how real doctor distracted rose while doing a runner. "Look over there! its a human doctor!" *Rose snogs* *Doctor Runs* Win!
I did enjoy it but thought it could have been better but I guess its all a matter of personal perspective really.
Oh, and the thing that everybody else says aboout how donna had a time lord's mind in a human body and that was fatal but then New Doctor had Time lord mind in a human body... Poor rose...
So, my first big question and really the one that I posted this for is this: Dalek Khan said that he manipulated time to bring them all there because he'd seen the dalek empire and what it had done and thought that it should be destroyed or whatever...
So if in travelling into the time war he saw all this then why on earth did he bring davros out and allow him to create a new dalek empire? Why not just leave him there?
Second question if all these people were going "Oh poor donna, your fate sucks" throughout the series then err... well, how does that work? I can kind of understand that archaeologist woman because she was from their future so actually knew but there were people from the shadow proclamation (or whatever) who seemed to somehow know and I just don't really get what the logic behind all of that was. I can see as a narrative foreshadowing (I mean, a clumsy foreshadowing but nevermind) but I don't see how it made sense in terms of the doctor who universe...
And just in terms of story was the second doctor actually necessary? Was he just there to get Rose to piss off again? I mean, given that donna I am fairly sure was taught to fly the tardis he wasn't necessary to save the tardis. The device he made to invert the bomb thing back on the daleks got destroeyd so was kind of pointless. I am not sure if there was any reason why they couldn't have just had Donna do the thing with the hand to get the regeneration energy and then had her pilot the tardis to where the doctor was just to see if she could help? Would that have been that much worse?
And I am not sure Rose and the parallel universe was necessary but there was a certain amount of coolness to having a companion-rich episode. Having ecclestone turn up would have been awesome. Maybe we can get "the two doctors" (yeah, I know that story name has gone) with the next series... ;-)
And the random ending for donna was just awful. Writing her out of the series - I mean, fine. If that's the way the contracts went, etc. But why not do it in a better way? She could easily have kept all of those memories and gone off and done stuff without the doctor. At that point she didn't *need* the doctor any more. She could go off and do her own thing. Would that have been so bad? And it would have left scope for her appearing again in the future much like Rose and martha have. For donna to reappear in the future is basically undoing the big climax at the end of this episode... Oh, except they did that for Rose didn't they so never mind...
Oh, and as a random extra thought, did Rose ever look for a doctor in her parallel universe do you think? I mean, I see no reason why there couldn't be one...
And lastly having just got it playing in the background I've just noticced how real doctor distracted rose while doing a runner. "Look over there! its a human doctor!" *Rose snogs* *Doctor Runs* Win!
I did enjoy it but thought it could have been better but I guess its all a matter of personal perspective really.
Oh, and the thing that everybody else says aboout how donna had a time lord's mind in a human body and that was fatal but then New Doctor had Time lord mind in a human body... Poor rose...
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Date: 2008-07-09 12:43 pm (UTC)Just an opinion, and of course if the Doctor clones himself then there's more than one, but I think it's neater than trying to figure out where all the other Doctors are and why ours didn't just hand Rose over to the "proper Doctor" in her new universe in the first place, as a good candidate to be a companion.
This Who concept of multiple universes isn't very well formed though: it's not even clear whether the shut-offedness of Rose's universe is normal or not. We also don't know how alternate universes are formed: perhaps Rose's "branched" after the critical Doctor-related events which formed Torchwood. Or perhaps Torchwood formed in that universe without the intervention of the Doctor. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that in the Whoniverse, effects can precede causes. So maybe the Doctor bumped into Queen Victoria in our universe because Torchwood is something which "has to happen", rather than our Torchwood being a fluke.
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Date: 2008-07-09 12:49 pm (UTC)I'd still claim this doesn't mean there are alternate Doctors in all universes. Fundamentally though the question is open for future writers to do whatever they want with - nobody Doctor Who writer ever thought "hang on, if we do that now then that means it should have happened back in that previous episode too, but it didn't, so we can't do it now".